Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey everybody, what is going on? Doctor Chad Woolner here. And this is episode seven of the Health Fundamentals podcast. And on today's episode we have a special guest, my good friend Dr Matt Ogle. He is going to be sharing some secrets with us about how to fix colic naturally. So let's get started.
Speaker 2: (00:17)
You're listening to the health fundamentals podcast. I'm Dr Chad Woolner and I'm Dr Buddy Alan. And this show is about giving you the simple but powerful cutting edge tools you need to change your health and your life. So sit back and enjoy the show as we show you the path to your best life down to a science.
Speaker 1: (00:37)
So, hey everybody, we are super excited about today's episode. My good friend Dr Matt Ogle, he is going to be sharing something really valuable with you guys. A really unfortunately common problem that I think far too often parents feel like they don't have a lot of options for and that is uh, parents who struggle with a colicky baby. And so, uh, Doctor Matt, maybe give them a little bit of a background as to how you kind of got started in this arena in the first place and maybe we can kind of go from there. Sure. Yeah. Um, you know, me and my wife learned firsthand, uh, pretty quickly what it was like to have a baby that's struggled with symptoms of colic. Um, and, and the definition of colic for some people varies. Some people think colic is like, oh, my baby cries for 10 minutes, or, or my baby, you know, they spit up a lot.
Speaker 1: (01:27)
But really all of these things kind of makeup, colic, babies that are inconsolable, that struggle with sleep issues that are fussiness, that are refluxing you're spitting up a lot. You know, we noticed with our first son that he was dealing with that a lot. He, um, there was a lot of birth trauma, you know, from a labor and delivery. And so we think that that, or we know that that kind of led to it. But, um, you know, for him, I think the struggle for, or I should say for us the struggle was realizing we need to do something right because, and that's maybe part of the challenge for parents too, is because, uh, there are oftentimes a wide range of variety of different symptoms. And so that can sometimes create a little bit of confusion in terms of where do we even begin? I'm sure you're dealing with crying, fussiness a achiness, reflux problems, gas, bloating, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: (02:22)
And so for parents, oftentimes that can, uh, create some times a little bit of additional stress in that they're not quite sure what to tackle first or how to tackle all of these things all at once. Are they related or that, you know what I mean? How are they all connected, et Cetera, et cetera. And what do you do? Like you go to Google and you, you, you find so many different things that you do or, or, or you, you read that there's something that is way different about your book or you know, your baby has colic, but you end up thinking that they've got x, Y, and Z and write and start treating the wrong thing. Go down all these different rabbit holes, right. Trading even more. And that's one of the things we talk about on this podcast, honestly, is that the challenge these days is, it's not that we're at a lack of information.
Speaker 1: (03:05)
It's that what you do with the information that they're, how do we make sense of it? How do we create greater clarity? You know, back in the day, uh, used to be that getting information was not nearly as easy or accessible even in our lifetime, you know. Oh, sure. Yeah. We watched that show. The Goldbergs. Have you ever watched that show? A TV show? It's really funny. Uh, there was, uh, it takes place in the 80s and a, and they were having this debate about what actor, uh, it was a, did val Kilmer play in, Ah, what movie? Anyways, they were saying Val Kilmer played in a movie and they're like, you know, what's awesome is we can go into the library and we can go through their file index and we can look and we can make, get micro fish and then we can do this.
Speaker 1: (03:45)
Uh, technology's awesome. We'll be able to find out within a couple hours whether or not val Kilmer played in this movie are, the whole point is like, there's obviously tongue in cheek. Funny because these days, you know, with a quick search, you know, of a button you'll be able to get answers at your fingertips. But again, it's not necessarily the quantity of information. That's the problem is the quality and how do we sift through that and get that information, you know? And so, so there, you guys are struggling with a colicky baby. What happened? Well, um, it seemed like, I mean we were trying to, everything, right? I mean long car rides, swings and anything to try to help him. Uh, he dealt with a lot of reflux and so, um, and also sleep issues. So we, I'd take them on long car rides to just try to get them to calm down.
Speaker 1: (04:30)
And I remember driving one night, um, I was literally gone for like an hour and he was just screaming the whole time. And so like, you know, for a parent, you're, you just hurt. Right? And it's frustrating and like, you know, you just feel like just sitting there and crying and just, just giving up in a way, but what you can't and so you continue on and you just, you just kind of grin and bear it. Um, and so, uh, that's kind of where we were in every path that we went down. Like we had taken him to the pediatrician and, and a couple of different doctors actually, and everything that like the dead end was prescription medication. And, um, there's a lot of research about prescription medication specifically for babies that are dealing with colic and reflux. Now that came out just, I mean like last April, that is just astounding as to longterm complications or side effects like allergies, like you 250% more likely to have asthma and allergies and things like that.
Speaker 1: (05:28)
And so when we hit that roadblock of like prescription medication, at that time we were like, we don't want to do this. I remember filling the prescription and putting it in the fridge and just letting it sit there. And both me and my wife were like, we're not given this to them. We're not going to do that, you know? So we just kept hitting that wall. Prescription of prescription. Yeah. And meanwhile, you were in practice, uh, chiropractor, um, you had a heavy emphasis focusing a lot on pregnant women and children and helping them. Yeah. I mean, our practice is primarily a prenatal and pediatric, uh, as far as the focus, I mean we see everybody, but that's really our focus because we, because I think because of my experience, right? Like my family and with my wife and helping her through your pregnancies and then also my kids.
Speaker 1: (06:18)
Yeah. I've often said that we find our greatest passion through our greatest pain, you know, and so sometimes in life of those experiences that we have as difficult and as painful as they may be, they serve a real powerful purpose in helping us to really find our path. You know? And so since then, you've, uh, you know, I, I guess if you can, if you're able to, how did you kind of discover your, your process? Cause cause you definitely have a unique approach to helping parents, uh, fixed colic problems. Right. Well, and I guess, I guess even a better question first before, before we even go down that road, is, is it possible to fix colic without drugs? Absolutely. It is. Oh, absolutely. You know, we, we see this all the time. Um, so absolutely. It, can we do this without prescription medication? Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: (07:06)
Um, we'll maybe somebody's healthcare provider argue with me that that's not possible. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh, you know, but I, I think that that's part of what fuels me is because people need to know, like, there, there are options that can help that don't require prescription medications. And if you're passionate about that and doing that without prescription medication, then great. Yeah. Yeah, there are answers. Absolutely. And I think it should go without saying. If you've listened to our podcast, even the previous episodes, we're not anti medicine entirely. Oh No, absolutely. You know, there's a time and a place for it, but unfortunately this is one of those issues and one of those times where it's not the appropriate approach, uh, especially when there are approaches where there is substantial and sufficient evidence showing that a natural approach can take care of it. You can fix it, you know.
Speaker 1: (07:55)
So tell us a little bit about that process, how you kind of stumbled on that or how you, how you figured it out. How did you figure out that there was an approach that would work? Well, you know, I, I, uh, a lot of research, obviously I'm, I'm a chiropractor and a doctor, obviously very nerdy. So I like to read research. I liked your work into things. And so I did a lot of searching, um, specifically because of how things were with, with Preston, with, with our first, um, and, and then I just, I started using these things, right. I just started using them in practice. Um, I started using different techniques, different, um, supplements, if you will. Sure. Therapies. And I mean I'd have parents come in and so when you, when you say techniques, we're talking different manual techniques using hands on Lexi's parents can do, I mean this is stuff like, yeah, I'm a chiropractor and I'm trained in this, but this is stuff like manual therapies that parents can actually do at home.
Speaker 1: (08:48)
So specific types of massage. Yeah. So it includes massage, acupressure, acupuncture, acupressure, which is like acupuncture without the needles, right? Sure. Um, so acupressure and massage, those two combined. So if we were to describe this to parents, uh, cause I know that there's no possible way that you're going to be able to go through all the details of everything on this episode. But just in general, helping parents understand applying specific pressure in certain areas in a certain way, similar to massage, similar to a pressure point therapy, you know, at certain times. Uh, it would that be an accurate way of describing it? Yeah, I mean that's what I, that's actually what I really like about your podcast and how you talk about things as you're very good at kind of taking like the big picture. Sure thing. Here's what it is. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Giving pit.
Speaker 1: (09:37)
Yeah. Giving, giving people a little bit more clarity on that. So parents, parents who are listening here, okay. So using manual therapies and hands on therapies to help. And then you talked about some nutritional, uh, uh, therapies that you'll utilize as well. So the hands on therapies, this is something that parents can do immediately, like right away. Um, and nutritional therapies, meaning like, I developed a cookbook specifically to help eliminate specific allergens that actually make colic worse. So something you shared with me a while ago, this is a good segway maybe into that, you said cookbook. For those listening, they're like, well, what do you mean a baby's breastfeeding? You know, at that age. So what's, what's the deal? You're not going to be feeding these things to the baby. So why a cookbook? Right. And, and, and maybe that's kind of one of the biggest Ahas that, that I had at least when we, when we talked about this before, because we've talked about this at length in terms of that.
Speaker 1: (10:32)
And so what would you say about that? You know, why a cookbook, well, you know this, it's interesting because colic is with the baby, right? We look at colic as, oh, it's the baby. We need to do something for the baby. We need to do, we need to fix something with the baby. We use maybe this or that. But we also need to look at where does baby receive their nutrients from. Right, right. And, and not only that, it's not just with their breastfeeding. Cause then, then if parents were like, oh well I'm not, or if mom's like, I'm not breastfeeding. Well that's, that's part of it. Right? It's not just the, it's not just that, it's, it's their surroundings, like their entire surrounding environment, the environment especially. And there was research that showed that um, babies in, in a stressful environment, it actually changes their DNA.
Speaker 1: (11:17)
And it's crazy because if, if we can just change the stress in their environment alone, not just for them but also for mom and dad and dad as well. Yeah. But for Monta, she's, you know, it's been said you are, you are what you eat, right. But you're also, you are what you eat, ate. Right. If that makes sense. Right. So, so for those breastfeeding, right, uh, what mom is eating, it's going to transfer over. And I think sometimes moms to a degree get that. Like for instance, when you hear like these examples of like, I can't eat spicy food cause that'll, you know, transfer via the breast milk to the baby, things like that. But, but wasn't there something as well in terms of like there've been studies where even like skin to skin contact if the mother has a heightened level of stress in terms of like elevated cortisol that has an impact on the baby as well.
Speaker 1: (12:06)
Weren't you saying that something like that? Actually the skin to skin contact decreases of cortisol levels for baby and for mom. Okay, okay. Yeah, that, that's one thing where skin to skin, if you can get baby skin to skin with mom, that actually helps bring their cortisol levels, their stress levels shirt down. Sure as well. Yeah. So, okay, so we've got supplements, we've got dietary modifications. What would be some of the dietary modifications you would tell them right now that you could immediately like say, just as a rule of thumb? I say in general these are the types of recommendations that I would make immediately eliminate dairy. And that's a hard thing for people. I mean moms and when I say eliminate dairy, I mean I can't tell you how many men, how many moms are like, no, I don't like that's cheese. That's, that's, that's yogurt.
Speaker 1: (12:49)
That's ice cream, like yeah, you need to read labels and, and honestly, it's going to force you to eat more raw foods like foods, you know, and not, not as process. So number one, that is by far the number one thing and within a period of two weeks, you should see a chain. Huge difference there. Yeah. And, and, and that's just part of it because those, those parents who do that and they're like, okay, I see no difference. Okay. That's fine that we continue on because there's more than just, Oh, it's just milk. It's not, that's not just dairy. Yeah. So eliminating milk if that doesn't work, a eggs and then even citrus though, those are offenders for, yeah. For breastfeeding. Okay. So that makes sense. So, so then, uh, making those dietary changes, implementing the hands on therapies, uh, implementing, what are some of the nutritional therapies that you recommend?
Speaker 1: (13:34)
Um, you'd said probiotics, is that part of it? Yeah, probiotics are really good. And, and it, you know, when it comes to probiotics, people can go to Walmart and get probiotics, but like, it's really specific strains of probiotic, right? Yeah. And so that's really important for people to know is that it's not just the strain but also the potency as well. Right? Like concentration. Right, exactly. And so it's not just, hey, go down to your Walmart or go down to target or Costco and, and, and get a probiotic or, or even Omega and Omega three is helpful in reducing stress and inflammation. Um, don't just go get those, you know, that there are certain, uh, dosages that that need to be followed to really get the best benefit. Sure. But probiotic, the Omega is, um, there's also another one for babies that helps with the brain body connection that I really recommend is Dha.
Speaker 1: (14:20)
But again, that's also one that should not just be you. You can't just go out and buy that because of, um, the potential for toxicity and they're from, one of the things that we stressed in this podcast as well that we've talked about before, is that far too often people will try various strategies as a panacea, right? I'll, I'll, I'll extract this one thing and I'm going to try that one thing and then maybe I'll try this thing. And then I'll try this one thing and I'll try this one thing. And very rarely does that get the desired result that we're looking for. Typically the solution is far more comprehensive than that is, or a a far more comprehensive approach is required. And so for those parents who are listening who are like, I've already tried that, I've already tried that, I've already tried that.
Speaker 1: (15:04)
Yes. But have you tried everything together as a comprehensive solution? And that's kind of the little thing. Uh, you've developed an entire program to help parents. Maybe, uh, we'll, we'll do a quick plug for the program and I'm not getting any sort of cut from this. I'm just saying it's a great program that you developed. Maybe introduce that until the parents a little bit about that. Um, yeah, I mean I think you hit it on the head is it's like you can extract different things and just say, hey, use this, like eliminate dairy and use a probiotic and then using omega. But, but it's a matter of of not just using a product. It's a solution, a solution. Right. That's like proven and that has been proven to show that you can actually change things. Right, right. Um, and so yeah, I mean I have a program for parents that have babies that struggle with colic.
Speaker 1: (15:49)
It's called colloquially see secrets. And that program is specifically like the whole program is laid out where their supplementation for mom. There's supplementation for baby. Um, we go through like what to take and when, um, what to do, how to do, how to do it. Like we talked about accuracy. Um, something that I developed was, was uh, it's called baby sooth, Kay and baby sue. There's an essential oil blend that is specific and it's the right essential oils in the right concentration. It's concentrated in the center along with a guide as well. If they, if they do that, that'll show them the proper application of where to apply it, how to apply it, when to apply it, et Cetera, et cetera. All that stuff. So, and it's, and the thing with this is like, it's all safe and effective for babies. There's no potential that this baby might have 200% increase in allergies and asthma or something like that later down the road.
Speaker 1: (16:39)
Like there's actual research, like 200% increase in those things from the medications that are being used for babies right now for colic. Yeah. And that's, and that's the real, the real frustration is that, uh, you're talking about a relatively short period of time, uh, you know, and you're talking about a hefty toll that they're going to pay the rest of their life. And that's not to make parents feel bad who have used medication. I can't blame them and we're not going to create some sort of a stigma there. But, um, what you've provided here for parents is, is a better approach. You know, so if, if parents who are listening, they're like, okay, that's fine. That's great. How do I get this? What do I need to do? Like if they're kind of more of a cut to the chase led. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What is it, what does get to the point?
Speaker 1: (17:23)
What's the point? How do they get this? Uh, what we did is, is just, just because I have kids and I know that it's like what will help me write immediately, what will help me right away right away. And so, um, if, if parents go to college relief secrets.com they can get a bottle of the babysitter, the blend, the essential oil blend. Um, they can get that for free. Okay. Okay. They just cover shipping and handling, but they can get that at their door. I mean, we expedite shipping for each order just so they can it as soon as possible to start seeing the changes in their baby. Perfect. Yeah. So you can get a free bottle of baby suit that you guys just cover the shipping and handling. Go to cholic reliever secrets.com. We'll make sure we put that in the show notes so you guys can get that.
Speaker 1: (18:02)
Yeah. Anything else you want to add? I mean, so we've talked quite a bit, kind of about, you know, the approach that you use. Uh, we've talked a little bit about a colic itself, a kind of your story. Anything else that we're missing here that you want to add into it? No, I think it's just important that parents, um, we give themselves some credit, right? They give themselves credit for what they're doing, you know, like inherent, struggling right now. It doesn't, it doesn't help anything to be hard on themselves and beat yourself up. Yeah. Yeah. And, and if you've used medication for your baby, okay, well maybe there's another way. Right. Right. And so that's an opportunity. And unlike you, I'm, I'm not opposed to using medication. It's just a matter of like is, is there something that we can do before that? Right, right, right.
Speaker 1: (18:42)
And so I, I just say like for any parents out there, you know, just don't be hard on yourself. We're all doing our best man. Like no matter which way we're doing it, we're all trying for the same goal. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're, you're intentions are the same. You want to help your baby. I would bench guests to say that just about 99.9% of parents out there, at least we hope, let their love their children and they want what's best for them and they want them to be happy and they don't want them to be crying and struggling with all these different things. And so the exact, like you said, I think they're just trying the best they can. And so, yeah, uh, that's the exciting thing about what you've, what you've created here is it gives parents an opportunity to get their, their children, their babies to help that they need and not have to resort to, uh, some of these dangerous and quite oftentimes harmful medications that so often, unfortunately they feel like are their only option, you know?
Speaker 1: (19:33)
So anyways, um, that's awesome man. Uh, the program's amazing. I've seen it and I've seen the results that he's been able to get with his patients. Uh, you know, uh, doctor Ogle, he actually practices not too far from us. And, uh, so it's neat to be able to see that and hear the stories, hear the success stories and see the success stories of parents whose lives had been changed because their children's lives have been changed as a result of the program. So appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule. You Bet, man. Now you're off to another appointment here. So thanks for being on the show and thanks for listening guys. Hopefully it had been valuable for you guys. If you know, uh, parents who have children who are struggling with colic, uh, share this episode with them. Uh, let them know that there are definitely solutions out there for them. There are answers, um, and Dr Ogle has, has generously provided a way for you guys to get a bottle to try of the babies who the whale. So, uh, thanks guys. Have an awesome day and we'll talk to you later. We'll see ya.
Speaker 2: (20:30)
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